I saw this band in concert recently, They kicked a**.
Some people say this is "just entertainment," but for me, and some of my friends, the songs bands like this sing are VERY REAL, it's kind of something we can "see" and can feel and in a spiritual sense and we're able to "connect" "into" the music. Very powerful song.....

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the "Council for National Policy" and evangelicals

I remember growing up in pentecostalism/evangelicalism, we were always told to support the republicans/conservatives and to "hate those evil satanic democrats." Jesus never said to put our trust in any political leader, yet we see so many christians trying sooooo hard to believe that "America was founded on fundamentalist evangelical christianity and we must turn america back towards God!!!(the evangelica/fundamentalist/pentecostal version nontheless)"

This ties right into what is known as Dominionism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cou...nal_Policy

www.sourcewatch.org/index...nal_Policy

www.au.org/site/News2?pag...9&abbr=cs_

www.alternet.org/story/21372/

I find this "Council for National Policy" interesting.

One of the things I want to know is:

Why do these evangelical/pentecostal leaders condemn "the occult"/"freemasonry" yet they themselves are part of or at least completely ignore a group that itself has secret membership, secret meetings, and is invitation only.

Of course, this secretive christian/evangelical "CNP" group raises many questions.......

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Re: the "Council for National Policy" and evangeli

According to a WorldNetDaily columnist Rick Warren said in November 2006 that he was a member of a group called the "Council on Foreign Relations."

www.worldnetdaily.com/new...E_ID=53688

Note that I am not necessarily saying that Rick Warren and the CFR are bad or evil.

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Re: the "Council for National Policy" and evangeli

Here is an ABCNews article on them:

"Meet the Most Powerful Conservative Group You've Never Heard Of"

abcnews.go.com/Politics/s...170&page=1

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pentecostal insanity regarding media/entertainment

Growing up, TV, Internet/computers, video games, music, Christian contemporary music, movies and books were all extremely restricted. All those things carried this……mystique about them. They were like these mythical things imbued with incredible power straight from Satan, all run by Satanist covens operating out of Hollywood, Washington D.C.(when Bill Clinton was in office), and abortion clinics. Except there was one problem…………the senior pastor and his close church friends and their families all watched TV/Cable TV, had the internet, listened to at least some non-Christian music and all listened to CCM, video games(including those satanic "T" and "M" rated ones), and all, especially the senior pastor, had "R" Movie collections. Me and some of the other non-elite church youth and members asked about these contradictions but never received any answers.

I still remember how we were told that "The Simpsons" was a very evil and Satanic TV show with the intent of causing people to leave Christianity (as if that's a bad thing). As a teenager my mother had the TV tuner removed by a TV technician so that it could only receive from the AV inputs, meaning, could only watch VHS and DVDs. I remember me and the other church youth would go over to the Senior pastor's house and ask to watch the very same movie that his 10 year old son or daughter had told us they'd watch and be told "sorry guys, that's rated 'R,' it's not Godly." Of course we'd ask "but then why do you have it?" Sometimes he'd lie, other times he'd just say "sorry…you can't."

I remember wanting to listen to Christian music and be told by my parents and other church members that we couldn't, EVEN THOUGH the senior pastor's and other church leader's families did.

Internet was treated as one of Satan's special weapons in the "end-times" to promote sex(which everyone knows is of the Devil…..) Everyone was terrified that one of us teenagers might get a glimpse of a naked body and become demon possessed. This always confused me for how can viewing what God designed be satanic at the same time? And if we "lust" are the demons able to read our thoughts and somehow know to seize upon us? Isn't it possible to see nudity without lusting somehow? Of course, the senior pastor's two oldest children, one male the other female, got someone pregnant and got pregnant; the other two younger ones were proven to be sexually active. Other church leader's children were sexually active.

Music was VERY restricted of course. We got all kinds of lectures on how Satanist covens had some kind of backmasking technology and were partnered with all the artists, including Iron Maiden, Motley Crue, Britney Spears, Madonna and N'sync. Amy Grant and Michael W. Smith were said be in on it too…even though the "elite" members of the church listened to them. Growing up, I was restricted to listening to….sermons on the radio or through tapes.

Books were VERY restricted. We were only allowed to read Christian books and forced to memorize the bible. When Harry Potter came out we were all given lectures about how "we're living in the end times and Satan is trying to capture the children and make them all witches!!!!" I knew of a few people who got harassed for letting their kids read Harry Potter.

I remember with all these different forms of media it was like I was always in Mission Impossible. We were either at church or being brainwashed in Christian home school. When we did have free time…we were either forced to pray, read the bible, do chores, or…..well nothing since we were not allowed to do anything. We were all being trained to "become the future of Christianity." "The chosen generation that is going to turn America back to God in these last days."

"The chosen generation who are going to become great prophets and pastors and evangelists and missionaries in the world."

"The chosen generation who are going to take over the world and do away with everyone else's false satanic religion and take dominion until Jesus returns!!!!!!"

Well, I got all fed up with the insanity, hypocrisy, conflicting doctrines, the and lack of absolute answers in regards to "salvation," heaven and hell and other theological issues, the child abuse, brainwashing, lies, gossip, scandals, threats and fear mongering. I got tired of always hearing "oooohh, you're saved by grace, not by works!" "Everybody loves you! Jesus loves you!" only to hear about how I was going to hell for watching "The simpsons" or could lose my salvation and could never be certain if 30 years from now I might lose it due to some odd sin and die in an accident and end up in this eternal hell preached to us day and night.

Me, I found a new Law to live by and I realized……I don't have to be abused nor submit to these liars and their lies nor do I have to be afraid of this make-believe hell and false theory of salvation which no fundamentalist Christian could ever give solid answers on.

Me and many others are waking up.
We will rise up above and against these abuses against humanity.
Men will no longer be ruled by fear and superstition, oppressed by bigotry and tyranny.

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Edited by: nghtmrchld26 at: 3/15/07 8:43 am

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Re: pentecostal insanity regarding media/entertainment

Yeah Diamond girl, when I was a teenager my mother would do a pat down to check for music, DVDs and video games whenever I came out of an electronics store like Best Buy or Circuit City. I'd still obtain things anyways, it was like getting drugs from a drug dealer, EVERYTHING had to be done in secret. lol

I remember getting thrown around the room and hit while getting interrogated about whether or not I had video games and DVDs. Then there were the constant interrogations by the church pastors. @#%$ hypocrites.

I remember having to listen to everything in secret, at very low volume levels or with headphones, whether it was video games, TV, DVDs, or music/radio. Every day was like Mission Impossible, as even ONE mis-step and it could be all over.

My mother would search EVERYWHERE on a regular basis. You'd have thought I was hiding methamphetamines(which her favorite pastor, Ted Haggard was found guilty of) or something serious....but it was all over DVDs, Cds, and video games, the issue of drug abuse or the like never came up. And when she confiscated something, she'd almost never tell me. She'd always pretend like she had no idea what I was talking about, until I had her cornered with evidence....so much for "Liars go to the lake of fire."

Edited by: nghtmrchld26 at: 3/16/07 7:28 am

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Crying all alone in pain in the nightmare of christianity...
welcome to our nightmare.......

Crying all alone in pain losing all reserve….I can't wake up out of this nightmare........
Insane? Am I the only @#%$ with a brain?........

Maze...psychopathic daze...I create this waste
Back away from tangents, on the verge of drastic
ways...can't escape this place...I deny your face
Sweat gets in my eyes, I think I'm slowly dying

Put me in a homemade cellar
Put me in a hole for shelter
Someone hear me please, all I see is hate
I can hardly breathe, and I can hardly take it!

HANDSONMYFACEOVERBEARINGICAN'TBREAKOUT!
Lost...ran at my own cost...hearing laughter, scoffed
Learning from the rush, detached from such and such
Bleak...all around me, weak...listening, incomplete
I am not a dog, but I'm the one your dogging……

I am crying here in a buried kennel
I have never felt so final
Someone find me please, losing all reserve
I am @#%$ gone, I think I'm @#%$ dying
HANDSONMYFACEOVERBEARINGICAN'TGETOUT!

You all stare, but you'll never see
There is something inside me
You all stare, but you'll never see
There is something in you I despise

Cut me! show me! beat me! molest me! abuse me! @#%$ me! hate me! break me! Rape me! kill me!
Here is my purity……
Enter this nightmare…..I am willing and able and never any danger to myself
Knowledge in my pain, knowledge in my pain, just....@#%$ acknowledge all my pain, acknowledge all my pain.....knowledge in my pain......
Or was my tolerance a phase?
Empathy! out of my way!
I can't die.....I can't die.....I can't die.....trancing out into another dark reality as the pain fades away....my purity.....
You all stare, but you'll never see
There is something inside me
You all stare, but you'll never see
There is something in you I despise.....
have you ever seen God?......have you ever seen God?
have you ever......

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Re: contact me please

I've already been working with counselors. I have a point to make with all this talk about psychologists and counselors "helping people with their pain".......

it's so funny how many people want to help you and love you and counsel you and "work with you through your pain" when there's money involved......heck I can go down to the bar, hand out money and drinks and have people who "love" me and want to listen to me............I can go to a "prophetic retreat/workshop" for $150 or more and get "personal prophetic ministry"......ask all these people who "sincerely love and care" to counsel and work with and be there for someone in pain for FREE.......aint gonna happen.....money or the lack thereof certainly changes things....

Me....I want something REAL, not more games. My ex-church will say they all love me, everyone loves me don't they? I had JW's knock on my door and say that Jehovah loves me and that they'd love to have me meet with them.....but do they have any REAL answers? "Love" in our commercial and christian America is just a word to get people to convert, to get people's money.....

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Re: Crying all alone in pain in the nightmare of christiani

FYI This was written in early 2006

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"Prophetic Child"

Since I was at least age 6 my mother and her church friends have always told me about how my birth was "foretold." They say that while I was still in my mother's womb a "prophet" told my mother that I was to be, quote, "a prophet to the nations" and something along the lines of the next Billy Graham/Peter Wagner.

They said that the following verses applied to me:

Mat. 12.18 and Ezk. 36:26-28

Basically, they believe that I am their "chosen one" for "the end times" and according to the Ezekial passage they believe that I am going to go back to their church/system.

The problem right now is the fact that it appears that they are always going to pursue me throughout life(and they have said so), as I am supposedly the "chosen one." As far as I can tell they did not treat the other youth the same way.

Well, I don't want to be their "chosen one" at all. I just wish I could find some way to wake up from this nightmare.

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You think it's funny but what the f*** do you think it's doing to me?
You take your turns lashing out at me............

Mister Crowley........

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Re: "Prophetic Child"

All alone crying in this nightmare
You and me we have no faces
Soon our lives will be erased
Do you think they will remember?
Or will we just be replaced
Oh I wish that I could see
How I wish that I could fly
From these things that hang above me
To a place where I can cry

They don't see us anymore
Without love as they had promised
And no faith for what's in store
Oh I wish that I could see
How I wish that I could fly
From these things that hang above me
To a place where I can cry
Where are all these feelings hiding?
Dancing in and out my mind
Burning up all that I long for
Feeding me till my decline
Where are you? My soul is bleeding
I am searching, am I blind?
All alone and bound forever
Trapped inside me for all time

So what can it be?
No one hears me call
Echoes back at me…..
No one's there…..
To all these nameless feelings
I can't deal with in my life
To all these greedy people
Trying to feed on what is mine
You've got to fill your hunger
And stop @#%$ with my mind
I know it's time to leave these places far behind………….

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You break my back, but you won't break me
All is black, but I still see
Time's going to wash away all pain

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Re: "Prophetic Child"

Yeah.

And I was supposed to keep this "calling" completely secret from outsiders. Like even other christians were not supposed to know if they were not a part of the "church elite" at that church and with my mother.

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Re: "Prophetic Child"

In this prophecy, they also believe that it was "prophesied" that I would rebel, but then RETURN to their church and that's helping to drive me crazy.

They will always be targeting me,hoping and praying I'll come back, waiting for some weakness(financial, health, or otherwise) so they can move in and re-convert me. Sometimes I fear I'll end up going back. Sometimes the depression gets so dark, and trying to live in the "real unsheltered world" gets so hard I start to think about returning back to what is at least "familiar," into a system I at least know how to behave and live in. I know there is a way out of this nightmare

It's just so f***ed up that this is the whole reason I was born.
The virgins are feeling cheated and there is an exit here,
Don't say it isn't it's true......

I went to God just to see.........

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Re: "Prophetic Child"

ok yeah, all these crazy memories. I can't fully remember and if i try too hard the room will start spinning and I'll go crazy. but yeah.....

Yeah I agree. No matter how hardcore cult-like these end of days dominionist pentecostal charismatic church members want to be...I'll never give in. They can make fun of me, harass me, and even break my back...but they won't break me.

I'm working on a way out here, time is going to wash away all pain.

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I know now that I'm forever dirt
We are the Nobodies, want to be somebodies

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Drowning in despair

you raped the soul from the child in me........

Crying all alone
The tears flowing down my face in a beautiful stream
The lovely misery and lonely darkness surrounding me
As I see everyone going on with their meaningless vain fake lives
All the posers and wannabes
All the abusers

Crying all alone
Cutting myself
High off the pain and darkness
Seeing so many fakers hating me
So many of my friends who have abandoned me
So many spiritual pretenders who failed to help me.
I'm your nightmares come true
You think you can punish me but you fail to see
That I've lived through a thousand nightmares
And all your worst Christian fears are coming true

Walking down these hallways
Of mirrors and sadness seeing myself
Crying all alone as everyone takes their turn
Raping all that I am
Cutting myself killing this pain
Someone help me please
I can't get out and I am slowly dying

Come and sing with me
This beautiful song of sadness and misery
Cutting ourselves
Crying awash in crimson

Come and sing this song…
As we die and leave this miserable life behind
Can you not see the elegant beauty?
Rays of light like gold silk flowing throughout this place
Beautiful tears of crimson streaming down our bodies
Our work is done here, we're going home
Let us fly away into the dying sunset
Can you not hear this beautiful song?
As all the pain fades away
Taking your last breath
As the blood and pain drains
Leaving everyone........left
To die in their misery and hypocrisy
We're going home to a beautiful place far away from here

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It's all in your head......it's all in my head.....
I tried...you lied to me for so long.....
Everywhere I go there's a sense of it.......
freak on my antics and give me a choice
Doesn't matter if I give a @#%$..... it's @#%$ that you gave me

Edited by: nghtmrchld26 at: 11/11/07 11:04 pm

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Re: Drowning in despair

Thanks for understanding DiamondGirl!

Come closer for myself and let your angels fly away.
As I am forgiven by them......my angels
Feel mine cleansing touch....fall through your worlds...
fall.....onto me
Let me caress you....
Let me take you through my worlds
Let them taste you with this night
with this tongue of this might.....
Perish......onto us...feel your mind weaken and your cold body withered...us crying...gasping for relief
let us... take off far into this night
far away within distress to die....
Your mind....losing all sanity
Leaving these bloodstained ashes
Tears streaming down your face
Fade away as we leave this hopeless place
Step into the light on the other side.......
Crying in distress.....
Some of us were only born to die
Learning lessons that become us.....
Let us take off far away into this night of distress.....

Edited by: nghtmrchld26 at: 8/23/07 12:09 am

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Re: Drowning in despair

I just wish I could find where to leave all of this hurt behind.

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Re: Drowning in despair

But why care about a world that doesn't care about me anyways? And why go on living in a world that doesn't want me?

Caring never felt so lame inside. There's just no answers.

Everyone has the same unoriginal s*** to say:
"Have you seen a therapist?" "Have you tried medications?"
"Have you tried thinking positive happy thoughts about the world?" "Maybe you should try counseling?" "Maybe you should try to just not be this way" "Just try taking one day at a time work towards your degree in college" "Don't worry, it will all get better"

Guess what? Believe it or not.....I'VE TRIED ALL THAT

People then usually assume that I only tried prozac(or some other drug) for two days and got upset that it didn't "work" and they say "oh well, you need to give it more than a couple of days to work"....I don't know how 8 months is only a few days...but maybe you f***ers who can only come up with lame ass answers need a good ass kicking
These lamers will also say "well maybe try a different therapist?" or "just.......keep trying"

Yeah....that's right, this nightmare terrifies you crack addicts, other people claiming to be depressed, all you people who think you're so depressed over some stupid divorce......you people tell me yourself you're terrified of this kind of depression and of this nightmare. No one has any answers. I've talked to lots of people about this, and they first say "oh well....you couldn't possibly know about REAL depression.....I've been through alcohol and drug addiction, and recently a divorce, my parents kicked me out at age 15, I can't go to college because I don't have money and I have kids to support........etc.....etc......." and then they always say "but I know it's always going to get better and that I have a lot to live for"

Well @#%$.....you're in much better shape and have a lot more hope than I have...... and then I'll tell them "I'm not sure if this is REAL depression....but here's what I'm dealing with and how I'm feeling......"

The response so far is always the same. The person who claimed to have it so much worse than me, is suddenly shaken, and tranced out and given a glimpse of The Nightmare that me and my friends have grown up in. This person who first said "oh no honey, not to discount what you're going through but I'm dealing with some dark depressing things a young person like you doesn't understand" is now telling me in a quivering voice...."uh.....that's......pretty dark writing.....and creative too...uh.....have you thought of counsling?" I said "well yeah, didn't really change anything" "well I don't really want to hear about depressing things and..." "But I thought you said you were really depressed?" "yeah...but...honey...I don't know what to tell you about....lets just change the subject"

Sorry but this isn't some pity story of where someone got touched in the wrong place once or twice or where some girl got raped only twice....this is The Nightmare that just goes on and on and me some of my church friends just cannot even fully remember what all happened, much less understand why......

This is also the downward spiral here....no one has any real answers, only lame answers and fear of what me and my friends grew up in, and fear of the depressing aftermath.

On the positive side, that fact that we've survived this long means we're a LOT stronger than most people, especially these lamers who are terrified of my poetry. We're stronger than these pentecostal Youth With A Mission assholes who said "you can't be writing down your feelings, especially not about depression." We've proven that we're a lot stronger than these sick bastards in the charismatic and pentecostal movement.

Welcome to the Nightmare

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Re: Drowning in despair

here we go again mother******s
trancing out into a nightmare of sadness and insanity as flashbacks come flooding in and taking over, shaking and all alone in this nightmare.......

You raped the soul from the child in me.......
Bow down to the land of the free
Bow down to your world that made me me
Bury the nails into the one like me
Consecrating the lies and exalting false prophecy
Tearing apart souls of man and all his goals
Offer benedictions and wills to plague your...
Souls....is made, in a so-called God
The taste of sulfur and rain
Your churchianity christ now turns on man
And brings him pain
Bow down to a lying clergy of sodomy
Bow down to the world that rejected me....
A gun to the temple of a world enslaved
by the lies that bind us to a faded hope
And a promise of salvation that is only a lie
Ensures the perversion that you try to hide
will become as dust that will fade in time
To take this world of hate
Of torture, our fate
Will rest in hands
That sow the seeds of rape

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Mister Crowley......what went on in your head?

Who's mistake am I anyways?
Edited by: nghtmrchld26 at: 10/6/07 1:53 am

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Re: Drowning in despair
"I can't remember anything, can't tell if this is true or fake
Deep down inside I feel this way
This terrible silence stops me
Now that the war is through with me
I'm waking up and I can not see
That there's not much left of me....nothing here but pain now" - Metallica - One

Quietly these colours will fade
but soon they will be as one.
for a moment i will stare
into this deep saddened sea
and will suffer the death's fright
under these waves emotions lay,
still never they'll return
as they are laid to rest.
Into this one lonely life,
which, perhaps is growing
painfully...
into life to die...
all life will be gone
leaving myself and all this pain...
into the spheres of emotions...
emotions...
I thought.......
there's nothing left for me,
anymore.... everything is gone
nothing left to feel nor to understand
I did not want to live my life
nor did i even want
to live for my death.......
strong it is indeed....life...
strange to be born for death....

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You and me we have no faces
Soon our lives will be erased
Do you think they will remember?
Or will we just be replaced
Oh I wish that I could see
How I wish that I could fly
From these things that hang above me
To a place where I can cry
You and me, we are all alone in this
They don't see us anymore
Without love as they had promised
And no faith for what's in store
Oh how I wish that I could see
How I wish that I could fly
From these things that hang above me to a place where I can cry
Where are all these feelings hiding?
Dancing in and out my mind
Burning up all that I long for
Feeding me till my decline
Where are you? My soul is bleeding……..I am searching, am I blind?
All alone and bound forever
Trapped inside me for all time
So what can it be?
No one hears me call
Echoes back at me…..
No one's there…..
To all these nameless feelings I can't deal with in my life
To all these greedy people
Trying to feed on what is mine
You've got to fill your hunger
And stop f***ing with my mind
I know it's time to leave these places far behind………….

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Why are you trying to make fun of me?
You take your turns lashing out at me......
what the **** do you think it's doing to me?

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Re: Drowning in despair

Inside and around I see misery, suffering
A new level of depth for my depression
Thought I could only climb from now
Unable to see below its depths
Got used to it so that it wasn't as bad.......

Now on my dark ledge I am falling further
Where are my friends? Someone grasp me
But no one reaches for I have nothing left to give them
My use for them is gone and so is their respect for me
Hitting a deeper level I crash hard
My anger screams, sorrow and hate contorting together
In a fit my temper explodes, tearing my hair, punching my face
Ripping my skin to release it from within
Screams of sorrow increasing my hate
Sentences flash through my mind of all that they said
Of those I regard that hurt me
Emptying my soul, devouring my will
I'm alone and always will be
I've known no one who hasn't hurt me and often with intent
I walk through crowded streets of faceless people
Their whispers haunting me
Trapped in a void with myself who's not me
My knowledge and power are all that I own
My compassion is destroyed, my hate free to explode
Now I will always destroy those who try to hurt me

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Why are you trying to make fun of me?
You think it's funny but what the **** do you think it's doing to me?
You take your turns lashing out at me, I want you crying with your bloody a** in front of me.

Edited by: nghtmrchld26 at: 10/19/07 2:56 am

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Eight Marks of a Mind Control Cult

Please note that cult groups can be found in both christian and non-christian realms of religion and spirituality(including "esoteric" type groups)....be safe out there people.........

Eight Marks of a Mind-Control Cult by Randall Watters

Brainwashing has become almost a household word in the last two decades or so. In 1961, Robert J. Lifton wrote the definitive book on the subject, Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism, after studying the effects of mind control on American prisoners of war under the Communist Chinese. Lifton outlines eight major factors that can be used to identify whether a group is a destructive cult or not. Any authoritarian religion should be held up to the light in order to determine just how destructive their influence is on their members. Judge for yourselves.

Milieu Control

"Milieu" is a French word meaning "surroundings; environment." Cults are able to control the environment around their recruits in a number of ways, but almost always using a form of isolation. Recruits can be physically separated from society, or they can be warned under threat of punishment to stay away from the world's educational media, especially when it might provoke critical thinking. Any books, movies or testimonies of ex-members of the group, or even anyone critical of the group in any way are to be avoided.

Information is carefully kept on each recruit by the mother organization. All are watched, lest they fall behind or get too far ahead of the thinking of the organization. Because it appears that the organization knows so much about everything and everyone, they appear omniscient in the eyes of the recruits.

Mystical Manipulation

In religious cults, God is ever-present in the workings of the organization. If a person leaves for any reason, accidents or ill-will that may befall them are always attributed to God's punishment on them. For the faithful, the angels are always said to be working, and stories circulate about how God is truly doing marvelous things among them, because they are "the truth." The organization is therefore given a certain "mystique" that is quite alluring to the new recruit.

Demand for Purity

The world is depicted as black and white, with little room for making personal decisions based on a trained conscience. One's conduct is modeled after the ideology of the group, as taught in its literature. People and organizations are pictured as either good or evil, depending on their relationship to the cult.

Universal tendencies of guilt and shame are used to control individuals, even after they leave. There is great difficulty in understanding the complexities of human morality, since everything is polarized and oversimplified. All things classified as evil are to be avoided, and purity is attainable through immersion into the cult's ideology.

The Cult of Confession

Serious sins (as defined by the organization) are to be confessed immediately. The members are to be reported if found walking contrary to the rules.

There is often a tendency to derive pleasure from self-degradation through confession. This occurs when all must confess their sins before each other regularly, creating an intense kind of "oneness" within the group. It also allows leaders from within to exercise authority over the weaker ones, using their "sins" as a whip to lead them on.

The "Sacred Science"

The cult's ideology becomes the ultimate moral vision for the ordering of human existence. The ideology is too "sacred" to call into question, and a reverence is demanded for the leadership. The cult's ideology makes an exaggerated claim for possessing airtight logic, making it appear as absolute truth with no contradictions. Such an attractive system offers security.

Loading the Language

Lifton explains the prolific use of "thought-terminating cliches," expressions or words that are designed to end the conversation or controversy. We are all familiar with the use of the cliches "capitalist" and "imperialist," as used by antiwar demonstrators in the 60's. Such cliches are easily memorized and readily expressed. They are called the "language of non-thought," since the discussion is terminated, not allowing further consideration.

In the Watchtower, for instance, expressions such as "the truth", the "mother organization", the "new system", "apostates" and "worldly" carry with them a judgment on outsiders, leaving them unworthy of further consideration.

Doctrine Over Person

Human experience is subordinated to doctrine, no matter how profound or contradictory such experiences seem. The history of the cult is altered to fit their doctrinal logic. The person is only valuable insomuch as they conform to the role models of the cult. Commonsense perceptions are disregarded if they are hostile to the cult's ideology.

Dispensing of Existence

The cult decides who has the "right" to exist and who does not. They decide who will perish in the final battle of good over evil. The leaders decide which history books are accurate and which are biased. Families can be cut off and outsiders can be deceived, for they are not fit to exist!

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Drowning in despair.....